Around a month ago I wrote an article entitled “Tommy John Surgery and Throwing 95+ MPH”. Basically what I was trying to find out was, are pitchers who throw harder more likely to have Tommy John. The article fell short of this discovery, mainly because I only looked at pitchers who threw 95 or more.

I wanted to get more in-depth but as my semester was coming to an end, I simply didn’t have the time to do an expanded study. Since then my semester has ended and I do have the time to get more in-depth.

First, however, we’re going to tread back and look at old work. In November 2012, Jon Roegele came out with an article introducing his and Jeff Zimmerman’s Tommy John surgery list. At this point, I think it’s pretty safe to say it’s the most complete list of Tommy John surgeries. The list can be found on Jeff’s site Below is an updated chart of the list.




Then in July of 2013 Will Carroll came out with an article stating that 33% of opening day Major League pitchers had undergone the surgery. I, however, found the study problematic, which I discussed in my previous article.

In March of 2014, Jeff looked at players who threw a pitch 100MPH or harder and found that 25% of them had the surgery. And finally at this year’s Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, Dr. Glenn Fleisig found that 16% of all pitchers had Tommy John: 15% of Minor Leaguers, and 25% of Major Leaguers.

So how does this relate to velocity? Well in my previous article I found that 32.46% of pitchers who threw 95+ MPH on average, had the surgery. If we are to believe Will Carroll’s findings then really there isn’t any significant risk of throwing harder. If we, however, choose to look Dr. Fleisig’s results, then throwing harder does increase your chances of having Tommy John.

There are essentially two sources where velocity data can be found, PITCHf/x, which dates back to 2007, and Baseball Info Solution (BIS), which dates back to 2002. Below is the yearly velocity data.


2002 89.56
2003 89.6
2004 89.77
2005 90.01
2006 90.17
2007 91.67 90.05
2008 91.39 90.43
2009 91.6 90.71
2010 91.82 91.01
2011 92.21 91.19
2012 92.34 91.32
2013 92.5 91.44
2014 93.05 91.43


As you can see, velocity is on the rise. There are also discrepancies in the data. This is why when I did my study I looked at PITCHf/x and BIS data separately to see if I would get different results.

Before we get into my results, however, I’ll explain my methodology. I gathered the PITCHf/x data in Baseball Prospectus’ leaderboard. I looked at all the years available and did not set an innings limit, in order to get as large of a sample size as possible. This gave me 1484 pitchers to work with. I then looked up which pitchers had Tommy John surgery. I basically did the same thing for the BIS data, which was gathered at fangraphs. Again I did not set an innings limit and this gave me a sample size of 2097 pitchers. I did not include position players as I felt they would skew the data.

I also set buckets for the velocity. The goal was to get as close to the exact velocity, while at the same time maintaining a respectable sample size. I did my best with this; you’ll find that in some cases there are some sample size issues.

So let’s begin. Below you will find the percent of pitchers who have had Tommy John surgery based on their velocity group.



Velo Sample Size
TMJ Count
96+ 99 36 36.36%
95+ 196 61 31.12%
92 to 95 584 158 27.05%
89 to 92 530 106 20%
86 to 89 151 34 22.51%
86- 23 4 17.39%




Sample Size
TMJ Count
96+ 36 8 22.22%
95+ 113 40 35%
92 to 95 547 147 26.87%
89 to 92 890 190 21.34%
86 to 89 429 83 19.34%
85- 118 16 13.55%


From this data it’s pretty clear that velocity does increase one’s likelihood of getting Tommy John surgery. The biggest increase happens from the 89-92 bucket to the 92-95 bucket. There is also a pretty big increase when looking at the 95+ bucket, in both tables, although I would argue that the sample size there is somewhat small. This doesn’t mean, however, that we can’t come to any conclusions. A 113 or 196 sample is definitely not as accurate as a 500 sample, but I don’t think that it’s unreasonable to suggest, based on this data, that throwing 95+ increases one’s likelihood of getting the surgery.

Also, you might have noticed that in the PITCHf/x table the 86 to 89 buckets are actually more likely to have Tommy John than the 89 to 92 group. This can be due to a couple of factors: A) We can definitely attribute some of this to a small sample size, especially since in the BIS table (where the sample is bigger) it shows a drop in percentage. B) The pitchers who are throwing in that group are probably older and therefore are more prone to the injury.

You’re at this point probably curious to see the results, so here they are. I was debating (with myself) whether I should show this or not. The sample is really small and I’m not sure we can really conclude anything from it. But I figured that showing some data is better than no data.


 PITCHf/x Age

Velo Sample Size
Avg. Age
96+ 36 23.44
95+ 61 23.48
92 to 95 158 24.85
89 to 92 106 25.56
86 to 89 34 27.05
86- 4 33.5



 BIS Age

Velo Sample Size
Avg. Age
96+ 8 25.87
95+ 40 23.87
92 to 95 147 24.51
89 to 92 190 25.65
86 to 89 83 27.02
85- 16 28.68


So pitchers in the lower groups are older, this would seem to make sense, although again each sample is small. More data needs to be gathered here to come to an accurate conclusion. (The age chosen for each individual pitcher, was the age of the year the Tommy John surgery occurred).

I also wanted to look at the difference between starting pitchers and relievers, or at least see if there was a difference. The logic being that on average relief pitchers will throw harder than starters so maybe they would have a higher likelihood of getting Tommy John surgery based on their velocity.

A relief pitcher was defined as this: GS/G < 0.5. Jeff Zimmerman deserves the credit here. For a while now I’ve been struggling to define what qualifies as a relief pitcher. Then I read Jeff’s latest article at The Hardball Times and stupidly asked how he defined a relief pitcher. Obviously he had defined it in the article (GS/G <0.5) and I missed it. I personally like this barometer for a relief pitcher. While I could have simply sorted the pitchers by there type on fangraphs and BP, I don’t know where they draw the line on a relief pitcher. This at least gives us a concrete definition of what a reliever is. I also like this better than an arbitrary innings limit.

Important to also note is that the overall relief and starting pitcher data has nothing to do with velocity. It is rather the overall percentage of relief and starting pitchers who have undergone Tommy John. For BIS it dates back to 2002 and PITCHf/x it’s 2007. OK, enough chitter chatter, here are the results.



Overall PITCHf/x RP

Sample Size
TMJ Count TMJ %
1016 241 23.72%



  Overall BIS RP

Sample Size TMJ Count TMJ %
1475 321 21.76%



Velo Sample Size    TMJ Count
96+ 89 30 33.70%
95 + 175 51 29.14%
92 to 95 412 110 26.69%
89 to 92 340 61 17.94%
86 to 89 77 16 20.77%
86- 12 3 25%



Velo Sample Size
TMJ Count TMJ %
96+ 35 8 22.85%
95+ 101 32 31.68%
92 to 95 437 121 27.68%
89 to 92 604 118 19.53%
86 to 89 262 42 16.03%
86- 71 8 11.26%


And now the starters.


 Overall PITCHf/x SP     

Sample Size
TMJ Count
464 121 26.07%


 Overall BIS SP

Sample Size
TMJ Count
623 155 24.87%



Velo Sample Size
TMJ Count
95 to 98 20 9 45%
92 to 95 169 48 28.40%
89 to 92 190 45 23.68%
89- 85 19 22.35%



Velo Sample Size
TMJ Count
94 to 97 23 10 43.47%
91 to 94 191 47 24.60%
88 to 91 272 69 25.36%
88- 137 29 21.16%


OK, let’s start with the relief pitchers, they’re less complicated. Basically the results aren’t very surprising: the harder one throws, the higher chance one will fall under the knife. There again seems to be this vast increase between the 89 to 92 bucket and 92 to 95. Also, and this was surprising to me, the overall results for relievers show that they are actually less likely to have Tommy John, than the starters. Even more interesting was while BIS and PITCHf/x data show different numbers, they seem to be telling the same story here. That starting pitchers are about 3% more likely to have Tommy John than relief pitchers.

Now lets focus on the starters, and this is where there is a serious discrepancy in the data. With PITCHf/x it shows that velocity does impact a starters likelihood of getting the surgery. While with the BIS data, the evidence is more ambiguous and the sample size is larger in the BIS data. I’m not sure what to personally make of this. Some might point out that the sample is not ideal. I would agree with that, a sample of 400 or 500 would be more accurate but a sample of 272 or even 169 are nothing to sneeze at. This is when the evidence is starting to take shape. What was even more surprising was that it was the BIS data that was more ambiguous because the sample is bigger.

There could also be a larger number of factors at play here. Starting pitchers throw more innings than relief pitchers, which puts added stress on the arm. They also throw more pitches, which based on which pitch they throw could also increase their chances of getting the surgery. Finally, and this is more of a hypothesis than anything, starting pitchers tend to have longer careers than relief pitchers. Therefore the older a pitcher gets the more likely he is to having a drop in velocity, while still maintaining the risk of Tommy John. This is of course a hypothesis. I think more data needs to be acquired to make a more accurate statement, but now at least I wouldn’t be surprised if the starting pitchers data was more ambiguous.

Finally let’s look at the overall results. This has nothing to do with velocity, just general Tommy John percentage.


 Overall PITCHf/x

Sample Size
TMJ Count
1484 363 24.46%



Overall BIS

Sample Size
TMJ Count
2097 476 23%


As you can see these results are more in line with Dr. Fleisig’s results (25% Major League pitchers). I don’t think it’s unreasonable there are some differences, however. This would depend on our methods of gathering the data and how we defined what a Major League pitcher is. My definition was very loose. Basically, if a pitcher came up and threw one inning, then I put him in the results.

The reason why I didn’t have a stricter definition of what a Major League pitcher was because my goal wasn’t to find the percentage of Majors League pitchers who had Tommy John. Rather, it was to examine the relationship between velocity and Tommy John surgeries. This is really just an added bonus. Also, Dr. Fleisig’s goal was to see how many current pitchers had Tommy John. My results are the percentage of pitchers who have had Tommy John since 2002 and 2007. We, however, now can accurately conclude, in my estimation, that Carroll’s results were way too high and that velocity does increase a player’s chance of having Tommy John.

This can make pitcher selection now very interesting. For example, if you are trying to decipher whether to get a pitcher who throws 95 MPH who is just as good as a pitcher who throws 90 MPH, you might be better off taking the guy who throws 90. By doing that you would be reducing the odds that that pitcher has Tommy John by about 7 to 10 percent, which is pretty good if you ask me.

Also, if you’re a GM or in fantasy and are terrified of relievers because you think they all tear their Ulnar Collateral Ligaments, well, you shouldn’t be. Your starters are actually slightly more likely to tear their UCL. There are of course other factors to consider here but these can serve as basic general guidelines. Finally, velocity does increase your likelihood of tearing your UCL, although with starters the data is a little murkier.

Bonus: Pitchers who have had multiple Tommy John surgeries.


Sample Size
Velo Age
25 93.53 24.68



Sample Size
31 92.17 25.12


Next post:
Previous post:


  1.  Write-Up for Yesterday: May 20th, 2015 | Banished to the Pen
  2.  Being Drafted and Making the Show the Same Year | Community – FanGraphs Baseball
  3.  Creative Destruction in Baseball: A Deeper Look | Banished to the Pen

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *